While at a social function recently I got chatting with some religious people who started to talk about how we're all 'fallen', sinners in need of saving, and how we're all needing His forgiveness, and so on.
Now, from a systems perspective this all makes no sense.
So I asked, "if God is infinite, isn't all necessarily WITHIN God? After all," I added, "if we and all else, including evil is not of God, then we're outside and beyond the infinite — and that would make us and evil bigger than God. That would make God small relative to us, and relative to evil."
"Best not do that," I said.
"Think of it this way," I explained "God is infinite ... literally that means "He" has no limits — he's everywhere, and in everything, everyone, every spirit, including Evil. In other words, everything and everyone is of God. It's His energy that's behind all the muck-ups, and the beautiful wonderful things, and ..."
If all — including Evil — is not God's creation then that means "He" has limits to where His creative energy goes. That makes Him small. Best not do that.
If it's not His energy, then it's someone else's, but that again means He has limits to where His energy goes.
Pretty straight-forward, I would think, to understand all this.